Posts by King Solomon

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free telephone and $10 internet= if you qualify in USA

by moshe in

yes, i discovered this program thanks to an obama supporter in cleveland.

if you are low income or receive a government program like food stamps, then you can get a free cell phone with 250 minutes and maybe even a $10/mo broadband internet connection.

with the economy being so bad, there is no reason to give up a phone and internet, which you need to find a job and get back to work-.

King Solomon

Univeral lifeline program is funded by a small fee which all phone customers pay for (something like what: a $1 per month?).

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free telephone and $10 internet= if you qualify in USA

by moshe in

yes, i discovered this program thanks to an obama supporter in cleveland.

if you are low income or receive a government program like food stamps, then you can get a free cell phone with 250 minutes and maybe even a $10/mo broadband internet connection.

with the economy being so bad, there is no reason to give up a phone and internet, which you need to find a job and get back to work-.

Lol, the "lifeline program" was established in the 1990's, well before BO could be blamed; the "Kim Komando Show" is an AM radio tech program which appears on many of the same stations which carry many of the political infotainment shows ( eg Savage (who's real last name is Weiner) / Levin / Rush / Hannity) which low-intellect listeners confuse with performing civic duty. Those low-income Red-State moochers should stop listening to AM radio entertainment and find a job.

Oh, that article appeared in USA Today, which you also should quit reading, as it's pablum (like Fox).

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Jesus wife fragment is a fake

by Christ Alone in

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/21/gospel-jesus-wife-forgery.

gospel of jesus's wife is fake, claims expertscholar says papyrus fragment believed to provide evidence that jesus was married is a modern forgery.

karen king from harvard university holds the papyrus fragment that has four words written in coptic, which are believed to prove jesus was married.

King Solomon

CA said:

"Designs, why is that a weird idea? God doesn't put himself into your life unless you want to come to him. You can keep him at arms distance."

Suweet.... Can I quote you on that, in case I'm wrong about Armageddon, eg "But Christ Alone said you cannot enter my life if I don't want you to, and I don't, so get out of here and take that Armageddon nonsense with you!"?

As far as personal experiences being reliable, I suppose you've never encountered someone suffering from hallucinations, whether caused by endogenous mental illness or exogenous substances (LSD) ?

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The Bible-- Full of Errors And Inconsistencies?

by Recovery in

i noticed in the "magic" thread many former jw's no longer adhere to the bible as the unerring and accurate word of god.

if you feel this way, can you please list any specific reasons/arguments as to why not.

this thread isn't for debating purposes, but simply for listing.

King Solomon

Etude said:

So it stands to reason that the reference to the circle meant a sphere because a circle does not have any corners. So, corners must be metaphorical.

What you're doing is relying on the oldest ploy in the Bible Apologetics book: when science proves the Bible is wrong on a basic "truth", you're saying, "well CLEARLY the Bible must be talking metaphorically. It CAN'T mean literal truth!!". That's the fall-back position used for oh-so-many scientific topics, that just thinking of them makes my head spin....

I use the term "corners of the Earth" even though I know better.

People use them because of the historical precident where people took it as absolute truths in the past, and once you get a few millenia of such misbeliefs entering the mind, it's hard to break the myth which persists linguistically.

A good example is the concept still seen in the word "inspire". Ancient men believed that the organs of cognition were in the torso (heart, lungs, kidneys), and note the root 'spire': that term pertains to the lungs (as seen in words such as respiration, i.e. breathing). Men once believed that spoken words entered into the lungs via the ears' eustachian tubes, and were then sent into the heart (their idea of the brain). Why? In a pre-literate society, it seems logical to assume that the words of a speaker forms in the lungs, and they use exhalation to drive speech. They KNEW that the lungs were needed to talk, but they assumed the ideas were formed in the lungs as ruah, breath.

So they actually believed that ideas could be directly injected into their lungs, lit "God-breathed" into their lungs, and hence "inspired".

Modern men understand the REAL pathways involved in process of hearing, but we still use the word "inspired". Why? Same reason you use "four corners": historical precedence, where what was once taken as a literal truth is downgraded to poetic expressions, just to keep using them.

See, the thing is this: the Bible is not simply being poetic when it speaks about "God reading the thoughts in the hearts of men": that WAS the literal belief up until 500 BC in Greece. In fact, Aristotle was famously wrong on the very topic, when the Hippocratic school gets credit for engaging in clinical work to come to what we now know is the right conclusion (which wasn't accepted outside educated circles until 1,000 yrs later).

Here's an article from Princeton on Aristotle's logical (but incorrect) arguments for why the heart SHOULD be the organ of cognition:

www.princeton.edu/~cggross/Neuroscientist_95-1.pdf

All ancient cultures relied on the smart Egyptians and Babylonians, who were regarded as the best physicians in the ANE (which often relied on magic; medicine has it's roots in magic).

Search for "Aristotle brain heart" for tons of more writings on the subject. It's basic "history of medicine" stuff, well-documented and incontrovertible (except to those who can't accept overwhelming evidence simply because they refuse).

In fact, ANYWHERE the Bible talks about the roles of organs, it's usually WRONG. eg The kidneys are assumed to be the organs of wisdom (Hebrew word is translated as 'reins' in KJV, which indicates their misguided belief that they played a role in guiding one's actions, as organs of wisdom; NOT organs of urine-formation). They didn't understand the role of the heart as a pump for the circulatory system, but thought it was the brain. They believed the brain was the generative site for the life-force (nephesh), where the clear CSF was thought to be a purified form of blood that was stored in the testes as sperm (and also why blood was special, thought to contain the same life-force).

The anatomical and physiological ignorance in the Bible is so rampant, that it's bog-obvious to anyone who looks into the roots of the ancient beliefs depicted in scriptures.

And if Aristotle has to take a hit for being wrong on human anatomy, then so should Jesus and YHWH (the Bible's authors relied on the knowledge of their smart (but wrong) captors, who actually engaged in human dissection to make mummies).

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The Bible-- Full of Errors And Inconsistencies?

by Recovery in

i noticed in the "magic" thread many former jw's no longer adhere to the bible as the unerring and accurate word of god.

if you feel this way, can you please list any specific reasons/arguments as to why not.

this thread isn't for debating purposes, but simply for listing.

King Solomon

Etude, a circle is a 2D flat shape; a sphere is a 3D ball-like shape.

And neither circles or spheres have corners (much less 4 corners).

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The Bible-- Full of Errors And Inconsistencies?

by Recovery in

i noticed in the "magic" thread many former jw's no longer adhere to the bible as the unerring and accurate word of god.

if you feel this way, can you please list any specific reasons/arguments as to why not.

this thread isn't for debating purposes, but simply for listing.

King Solomon

Recovery said:

Well if pointing out that my God, respected dictionaries and thesaruses, and simple logic do not equate miracles with magic then so be it.

No, WE get it: we know what JW theology is, and if you haven't gotten the hint, it is overly-simplistic, i.e. you have to ignore historical evidence (including the Bible itself, in Hebrews) that strongly indicate that Moses was trained in Egyptian magic. You'd have to ignore the historical evidence that religion and government weren't separate elements at that time (they were intertwined, with Pharoahs considered as the embodiment of deities), and that magic was thus part-and-parcel of BOTH. Jesus' claim of being part-God wasn't novel or original: that was a common belief in the ancient world long before Jesus was born.

Don't be surprised by anyone daring to challenge JW dogma: uh, that's exactly WHY many people are here, LOL! We're not gullible bobbing heads in the KH that are willing to accept whatever is being spoon-fed, so don't be shocked if we're not willing to sacrifice what we know as TRUTHS if it helps you erase YOUR doubts about JW eschatology.

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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?

by Recovery in

i have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.

as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.

"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.

King Solomon

Etude said:

Some of the stuff we have and can do today, would make Jesus walking on water like a street side show.

Yup, Etude. The "miraculousness" loses some of it's luster nowadays. Modern men avoid "miraculous" signs like pestilence, crop failures, floods, etc via use of pesticides, drought-/disease-resistant strains of crops, dams/levees, etc. Those were very real fears to ancients, where they represented a very real threat to budding agrarian societies, but are memories to modern men.

What I find interesting is how JWs decry anything with "pagan roots" (eg Christmas, etc), when historical evidence (including the Bible) indicates Moses learned and practiced pagan Egyptian magic! SAME TECHNIQUES used by Egyptian High Priests, SAME PROPS (staffs, sceptres), SAME MAGICAL INCANTATIONS, only inserting the name of YHWH instead.

Moses was the first leader in the Bible to use miragic, so by JW logic, all magicles that were practiced by Jesus and early Christians (signs, speaking in tongues, healing, turning water into wine, etc) probably shoud've been banned on the basis of their "pagan" roots.

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The Bible-- Full of Errors And Inconsistencies?

by Recovery in

i noticed in the "magic" thread many former jw's no longer adhere to the bible as the unerring and accurate word of god.

if you feel this way, can you please list any specific reasons/arguments as to why not.

this thread isn't for debating purposes, but simply for listing.

King Solomon

Recovery said:

"I will start a thread addressing each allegation of actual substance."

Better yet: do a search and find prior relevant threads so we don't have to go over it again just for you, and then you can add your arguments at the end. It'll save everyone some work.....

Sor ry Johnnypro, but you cannot dismiss those without disproving tons of evidence that proves that bible writers relied on the best-known science of their day, which was Egyptian and Babylonian, not divine inspiration.

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Do you think marrying an unbeliever could be a disfellowshipping offense in the future?

by loading in

any thoughts?.

King Solomon

Datadog said:

"The Flock book doesn't say anything about it being brazen conduct. It does say that an appointed man could lose his position by tacit approval of marriage between a " Christian " and an " unbeliever "."

Does it use the words, "tacit approval", and did it always say that?

Wow, as that means the elder must actively disapprove of the marriage, voicing their objection over the marriage to the person, or risk losing their elder gig. No more "looking the other way" allowed.

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Sam Harris - On the Freedom to Offend an Imaginary God

by cofty in

imo an excellent blog post by sam harris..... we are free to burn the quran or any other book, and to criticize muhammad or any other human being.

let no one forget it.. most secular liberals think that all religions are the same, and they consider any suggestion to the contrary a sign of bigotry.

somehow, this article of faith survives daily disconfirmation.

King Solomon

Tams said:

"Okay. Well, i'm married to an atheist, lol."

Allow me to pick my jaw up off the floor for a moment....

"I married an atheist"? TAMMY, how COULD you allow yourself to become unevenly yoked like that?!?